what are some of the biggest mistakes a player can make during a game?

[vball1108]

i think the biggest mistake (mostly in girls) is when someone gets mad at another player. it breaks the mood and no one on the team wants to play.

[coachmanzi]

A woman coaching mens volleyball.

[set10]

you couldn't be more wrong. the only mistake in that situation is thinking that the woman coach can't be of any use. There are MANY very good women coaches and I'm sure there are plenty that are better coaches than you. Bonnie Fineman coaches the Shelton High School Varsity Boy's Volleyball in Shelton, CT and has been voted coach of the year numerous times after taking a bottom of the barrel, new team, to three-peat state champs through 3 undefeated seasons, including 1 season where they only lost 1 game (not match) the whole year including playoffs.

I'm sure there are alot of women on here who think you are a moron for that comment. I'm one of the many guys here who think you are a moron.

[coachmanzi]

Originally Posted by set10

you couldn't be more wrong. the only mistake in that situation is thinking that the woman coach can't be of any use. There are MANY very good women coaches and I'm sure there are plenty that are better coaches than you. Bonnie Fineman coaches the Shelton High School Varsity Boy's Volleyball in Shelton, CT and has been voted coach of the year numerous times after taking a bottom of the barrel, new team, to three-peat state champs through 3 undefeated seasons, including 1 season where they only lost 1 game (not match) the whole year including playoffs.

I'm sure there are alot of women on here who think you are a moron for that comment. I'm one of the many guys here who think you are a moron.

Winner of best argument ever.

yeah i mean congrats one HIGH SCHOOL coach in effin CT. does a good job. thats just cause all they do over there is cow tip so there is no competition. i agree that a woman could be a good coach at a certain level...but, youre not gonna find a team of 12 guys that actually thinks that, so she will never be successful.

You give me an example of 1 good coach, i'll give you 2 examples of bad coaches.
1. My current coach. She has led colleges (womens teams) to titles, club won blah blah, women jibber jabber. Great. eprops to her. Her only problem is focusing too much on certain things. High school is different than college. In college it is "how high can you jump, how hard you can hit, how big of a block you can put up". Our coach focuses on defense instead of actually putting the ball down. Don't get me wrong, when i was coaching JV/Frosh at the high school level, that's what my main focus was. But in college, with weight programs, and the male mentality, a woman should not be the coach.

2. When I was coaching at the high school, I led the team of sophomores to 22-7 (.758) and first in the league with 2 tournament wins. With a team of 10, only 2 had ever played before. I declined the spot of varsity coach they offered me so I could come to so. cal to play. They gave it to a woman. No weight programs, no plyometrics, no conditioning. Same players, 2 years later as seniors. Same teams they played, same league, same opponents. Their finishing record was 14-17(.451). I see a little decrease in efficiency.
Too many emotions were involved in who played. If someones parent's were in the audience, she played there kid. There was no "play to win mentality", which is extremely important in this level of play.

Talking with numerous friends of my who have played/currently play D1 and professional volleyball (male and female), all agree unanimously that women should not coach mens volley. I know on the court, I am scoffed upon, "look at that team, they're being coached by a girl". I'll think of more later, but I'm mad tired.

If you're going to call me a moron, do so in PM, that statement was out of line. I'm just here to voice my opinion, not be called names.

[set10]

apologies for the moron comment, but your statement was not only sexist but it was the root of stereotypical biggotry. To say something as broad as women should not coach men is rediculous. If you've had a bad male coach, he is just a bad coach. If you have a bad female coach, its because she is a woman. Doesn't sound right to me.

There are just as many, if not more, male coaches who make the same mistakes that you pointed out. The problem is that good women coaches are few and far between. I agree, as of now there are not many women who can effectively coach men's volleyball. But as with everything else, it must begin small and become bigger. Another female coach i know coaches COLLEGE and she is very intense with fitness and having an aggressive mentality.

If you are looking for a coach to give you plyometrics, weight training and conditioning you'd be better off with a personal trainer. Improving your fitness should be your job, not someone else's. Don't you play libero? The defensive minded coach should be something you enjoy.

I'll give you this, it sounds like your coach sucks. Don't bash on nearly half the population because the few you know don't quite live up to par.

By the way, there are more cows in cali than ct. Plus, if no one out here is competition, why is her high school all of a sudden actually good at volleyball?


Take care Bobby Riggs

[kvb]

Wow look at the time...I just got home from volleyball! Hey Manz, I gotta give it to CM on the debate.

I play in a men's sand league/it's structured as a ladder and I'm not all that of a player, but I gotta admit I love beating the top guy's team on a random draw, more because of his attitude than as a player...he's 6'5" and a very good player, but he's got an attitude and a mouth and then some. He thinks he should win against me cause it's him and another guy or 2 vs. me (a chick) and another guy or two (we usually play 2's or 3's, sand, on a men's height net.) Can't tell you how much I love to dig him and put him down. But I do it with my play and my defense and work my way inside his head. His attitude is all mouth. At the end when he loses to us (which happened many times last year) he always walked off the court grumbling that his team played badly (implying it couldn't be that my team - the one with the chick on it - actually played well...) I LOVE IT OOOPS, I MEAN I DIG IT

I gotta add that comment is similar to vball1108's. It's the person, not their gender. We had a guy on one team (long time ago) that would get so mad, he'd actually walk off the court in the middle of a game. What a poor sport and a bad temper. It's totally the individual, nothing to do with gender people!!

We had about 20-24 people at volleyball tonight. One other girl and me, the rest guys. I'm glad they don't think that way you 2 do, otherwise we would've never touched the ball (other than maybe to set)

[mycena]

I really have other stuff to do but I just hadddd to reply. First off, Manzi, I'm disappointed... But now I will try to defend a bit of what you say and not some and give a few points.

First, It's totally the coach who sucks and not that their gender really has much to do. If I were coaching you, you would definitely be doing a ton of fitness related stuff as well as vball. And those who were only interested in playing the vball and not the training would be doing a lot of sitting come game time. That's a coaching error on her part but I agree that probably that has a lot to do with experience. At high school and some college levels, mens and womans are a completely different game. And if she is using her womans training to coach a mens team, then there is an issue. (Oh yeah, By the way at a college level its the coaches job to win. That include running a fitness reg, for their players. So yes it is the coaches responsibility to make sure the players are running, lifting, doing plyos not the players.)

One reason you mentioned that a woman shouldn't be coaching is because the men donm't think she should. And that is really probably the biggest draw back any woman coach will have to deal with. And can only be solved by more woman coaching. If all the guys on her team dont think she should be coaching, they wont listen to what she has to say and therefore can't benfit from the coaching. How to make a team of sexist men listen. Sounds like a tough job and I really have no help there.

[NewEnglandRT]

Hey, woa.....



CT ain't no cow tipping state fool. In fact it's one of the most hoshy toshy snobby states in the union (one of the reasons I'm not terribly fond of living here). There is alot of great ball in the area, just because we can't play outdoors year round doesn't mean there isn't good talent and coaching. VB in general is overlooking in the NE due to the popularity of other sports.

Back to the debate..


any coach/leader/manager is going to have to earn the respect of their players. Wether that comes from previous reputation or current action is still must be earned. This is one of the key challenges facing any leader. Some coaches do this by being tough (see Tom Caughlin and Bill Parcells) others do it by loving players up (see Jimmy V & the others).

If a women coach can get her team to win.... that's the bottom line. In order to do that her players need to be enrolled in her system. That's got little to do with sex, and more to do with leadership. All athletes will respond to different people differently a good coach will realize how they interface and adapt to produce results. It may be easier for a man to command other men's respect do to the cultural moreys in place...... that being said. It just takes the right person with the right people doing the right things.

[tbarbera]

Junior year of highschool for the first two matches I played DS so that I could swing out of the back row. For the third match I went back to playing Libero like all the other years. I was so used to calling for back row attacks that I didn't even think about what color shirt I was wearing. My setter didn't either. I got the most perfect back row set and I crushed it. Right into the back left corner. I landed on the ground and went crazy. It was my best back row attack ever. (I could feel my abs pulsing I hit the ball so hard.) The ref gave the point to the other team becasue I was a Libero and I never got set in the backrow as a Libero again.

-Tyler

[dex]

Originally Posted by blowfish21

Biggest problem I found was a failure to communicate causing collisions and dropped balls. I love watching the ball between three players, going for the ball or not, drop because no one calls for it and everyone thinks someone else is getting it.

i agree blowfish. it sucks big time when you think other person has the ball and other person thinking you have it and the ball drops because of no one saying i have it. get in the habit of calling my ball,my ball, that way when someone serves hubby/wife serve,someone will be able to play it. dex