What are the unwritten rules... - Page 2

DOBEEDO · 08-03-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tbarbera

If you are playing a tournament you should have two goals, to win and to get better. When you play to win you should take into account your opponents weaknesses. If a person has a terrible set, I will serve their partner so they have to set it every time. If a player chem every can't hit, I will serve them every time. If a player can't pass I will serve them every time. The other thing that is beneficial is to pick a player to pick on in the first 5 points of the game. This is usually the weaker player. Pass, hit, serve, roll to them. Make them move and tire out every chance you get. If you make them pass it, they almost always have to hit it. If they are hitting every play of them game, they will get tired. The other partner who is only setting will also get frustrated because he/she isn't hitting. To me it is a win-win situation. Show no mercy, play by the rules, the written rules, meaning nets, blocks and on and on.

To sum it up, serve whoever, it is a tournament.

-Tyler

But is it fair to actually target a player for 30 points? Is it fair that a AA/Open indoor player serves as hard as indoors and on a lower net at a target that is sore from the last nine serves?

Win, but not at all costs, sometimes, your sole is on the line and we have to keep a level of piece while living with ourselves. The prize of winning is not worth it if I made someone bleeds or is crying because I spiked the ball at her face and broke her nose (which did not happen). I'm skilled enough to play a good smart game.

Just my thoughts,

kvb · 08-03-2006, 07:20 PM

Yo dudes, I'm a chica, over here, over here...Serve me! Serve me! I want the ball! Hit at me! Hit at me! Bring it! I dig it! I wanna hit!

strazzere · 08-03-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DOBEEDO

But is it fair to actually target a player for 30 points? Is it fair that a AA/Open indoor player serves as hard as indoors and on a lower net at a target that is sore from the last nine serves?

Win, but not at all costs, sometimes, your sole is on the line and we have to keep a level of piece while living with ourselves. The prize of winning is not worth it if I made someone bleeds or is crying because I spiked the ball at her face and broke her nose (which did not happen). I'm skilled enough to play a good smart game.

Just my thoughts,

It's at all costs... I agree I won't serve the same person 30 in a row, unless i'm down by 29... No hitting people unless they deserve it. It really depends on the whole situation i guess

DougHillman · 08:41 PM

If your soul is on the line based on what you do on a volleyball court, maybe you should switch to a new religion.

I really feel that this isn't a question that's even asked at higher levels of play. If I were playing in an "A" tournament here in Chicago (real USAV or whatever type "A" - not local park district rec league "A") and held back from serving the female in a co-ed match, she'd probably be both insulted and pissed.

Even at the "A"ish level open gyms that I go to around here, the girls who play that level expect to be treated the same as everyone on the court with a penis. Hell, if they're playing on that court, they're probably better than half the guys there. (We've got a former Women's NCAA national champion and defensive record holder that plays with us occasionally.)

I've never played by any particular "unwritten rules" other than, "play at your level." If I'm a AA/Open level man, I really shouldn't even BE in an "A" level tournament serving at girls. If I'm a "B" level girl, I shouldn't expect preferential treatment if I've signed up for an "A" level tournament. If you're playing above your level, you better fully expect that you could be hammered on every single point.

No matter how much some people would like them to be, tournaments are NOT "make everybody feel good" deals. They're, by nature & definition, competitive events. You've got no call to expect anyone to go easy on anyone else in the tourney. Unless the rules specifically prohibit the man serving to the girl (a tournament format which I'd never play in, FWIW) it's a perfectly valid move and one which should surprise no one.

That all being said, if some dude was playing below his level and taking advantage of that, he was being a ****.

NewEnglandRT · 08-07-2006, 09:58 PM

Well said Doug!

sillystring34 · 08-08-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DougHillman

If your soul is on the line based on what you do on a volleyball court, maybe you should switch to a new religion.

I really feel that this isn't a question that's even asked at higher levels of play. If I were playing in an "A" tournament here in Chicago (real USAV or whatever type "A" - not local park district rec league "A") and held back from serving the female in a co-ed match, she'd probably be both insulted and pissed.

Even at the "A"ish level open gyms that I go to around here, the girls who play that level expect to be treated the same as everyone on the court with a penis. Hell, if they're playing on that court, they're probably better than half the guys there. (We've got a former Women's NCAA national champion and defensive record holder that plays with us occasionally.)

I've never played by any particular "unwritten rules" other than, "play at your level." If I'm a AA/Open level man, I really shouldn't even BE in an "A" level tournament serving at girls. If I'm a "B" level girl, I shouldn't expect preferential treatment if I've signed up for an "A" level tournament. If you're playing above your level, you better fully expect that you could be hammered on every single point.

No matter how much some people would like them to be, tournaments are NOT "make everybody feel good" deals. They're, by nature & definition, competitive events. You've got no call to expect anyone to go easy on anyone else in the tourney. Unless the rules specifically prohibit the man serving to the girl (a tournament format which I'd never play in, FWIW) it's a perfectly valid move and one which should surprise no one.

That all being said, if some dude was playing below his level and taking advantage of that, he was being a ****.

im right there with ya buddy. i hate it when guys think i cant handle a hard hit ball. i used to play on a high level mens team, and the guys on thew other team would either serve away from me or lighter at me. One day a guy actuakky came over and asked me if i was ok after i passed a ball he hit hard at me....what a loser!

tbarbera · 08-08-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DOBEEDO

But is it fair to actually target a player for 30 points? Is it fair that a AA/Open indoor player serves as hard as indoors and on a lower net at a target that is sore from the last nine serves?

It isn't a matter of fair or unfair. If it is a tournament that means it is competative. That means use what you have in your arsenal. I would hope that if I was the weakest passer on the court, grass or sand that I would be served at. That is how the game is played. When I play co-ed I go after the weaker passer with my serve. It doesn't matter if it is a girl or a guy. I have a good jump serve, its even better on a girls net... if you can't pass that isn't my problem, it is you and your partners.

It may seem like I am being a **** and I want to put it out there that I am not trying to be. I don't understand why the situation is even a point of contention. If you would serve the guy when he is the weaker passer why would the rules change for a girl?

-Tyler

wsuweaver · 08-17-2006, 02:49 PM

Intersesting thread here. I think this really depends on the level of play as well to be honest. Here in the Northwest on the grass scene, reverse coed (women's height, men hit behind 10') is king, always the most competitive and widely attended events. At the upper levels (A/AA/Open) as a proven upper level men's player you can expect to get maybe 1-4 out of every 10 serves in a match. (I have gone through whole games getting 2-3 serves) Most of the top games (finals, etc...) come down to which female can better handle the opposing male's jump serve. This si just the way it is here and what makes the ladies "open" if they can hang there, the ability to handle the heat from an open level male. Most of them love the challenge as well I might add. Only teams that can rely on the girl to carry the team (at least for some significant periods) offensively can hope to get to the end of a big event here. A REALLY tough guy can carry a team with a weaker female partner but it is few and far between. Our girls would be quite offended if we made special rules to avoid their participation. They love having a chance to dish out some punishment against the guys and carru a coed format. In fact I have played few, if any, coed style sports relative to reverse coed volleyabll where the woman gets to have this much impact without rules that force her to match up versus other females on the other team or have rules limiting how she is involved. Obviously the men are off the net but for the top guys this is little to no deterent in terms of hitting power/effectiveness (also makes for a tougher serve as detailed on this thread). On that subject I had heard on the East Coast most of the coed events are on a men's net. This would seem to me to make the females passing/defense/setting dummies for the most part (with some exceptions of course). How much fun is that for them?

Just my two cents of course.