Comparing Rating Systems, Help - Page 2

NewEnglandRT · 01-27-2006, 05:46 PM

I don't know where my original response was. What I did explain there is that in the Yankee rating system when women play on men's nets, they're rated down a half from their women's net rating. Mycena is a women's C and thus when playing in a men's tournament she'd be a C- too. Men are not allowed to hit (except where back row attacks are permitted) when playing on a women's hight net and thus are not allowed to increase or decrease their rating by virtue of a different format of play. I'll state again that if I were hitting on a women's net I'd be a C too.

mrwabam · 01-28-2006, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenn

I just think the Victoria system is simpler, but I completely except the need for the Yankee system. Which one do you prefer?

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Volleyball Victoria Rating System

(Based on AVPNext http://www.avp.com)
The primary goal of a rating system is to help all outdoor volleyball
players better enjoy the game.

I'm a member of the Yankee upper level ratings commitee so I thought I'd chime in on this one. The important thing to notice about victorian system is that its for outdoor use only. Yankee is I *believe* the only region to employ individual ratings for indoor players. The reason we do this is so that we can maximize playing opprotunities and *try* to keep teams evenly matched. I.e. no A+ players playing in a C- tournament.

In most other regions for indoor tournaments teams need to register for an entire season at their respective USAV rating (Open, AA, A, BB, B), in Yankee, we allow our players to play with different teams every weekend.

As for the matchups of yankee individual ratings to USAV ratings, here is a rough breakdown (for the men anyways). Please don't quote me on this if you are putting a team in for nationals, I'm reciting this from memory. www.yankee.org has the actual nationals rating mappings on it.

Open: A team comprised of mostly A+ and maybe an A (Yankee doesn't have a team that plays Open at nationals right now so its hard to judge for sure)
AA: A team of A's and A+'s some A-
A: Mostly B+ and A-
BB: Mostly B and B+ (some A- maybe)
B: Mostly B- and B

Everything below that doesn't really fit into a catagory for USAV, a team comprised of all C-'s would have a rough time playing USAV nationals even at the lowest level, B.

As for comparing indoors to outdoor ratings, there is no real point in that, the indoor game is very differnt than the outdoor game, but if I had to make a guess, for your local tournaments....

Yankee B and higher would play open
Yankee B- would play A
Yankee C+ would play BB
Yankee c- to C would play B

Mr. Owl · 01-30-2006, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mrwabam

I'm a member of the Yankee upper level ratings committee so I thought I'd chime in on this one. The important thing to notice about Victorian system is that its for outdoor use only. Yankee is I *believe* the only region to employ individual ratings for indoor players. The reason we do this is so that we can maximize playing opportunities and *try* to keep teams evenly matched. I.e. no A+ players playing in a C- tournament.

In most other regions for indoor tournaments teams need to register for an entire season at their respective USAV rating (Open, AA, A, BB, B), in Yankee, we allow our players to play with different teams every weekend.

As for the match-ups of Yankee individual ratings to USAV ratings, here is a rough breakdown (for the men anyways). Please don't quote me on this if you are putting a team in for nationals, I'm reciting this from memory. www.yankee.org has the actual nationals rating mappings on it.

Open: A team comprised of mostly A+ and maybe an A (Yankee doesn't have a team that plays Open at nationals right now so its hard to judge for sure)
AA: A team of A's and A+'s some A-
A: Mostly B+ and A-
BB: Mostly B and B+ (some A- maybe)
B: Mostly B- and B

Everything below that doesn't really fit into a category for USAV, a team comprised of all C-'s would have a rough time playing USAV nationals even at the lowest level, B.

As for comparing indoors to outdoor ratings, there is no real point in that, the indoor game is very different than the outdoor game, but if I had to make a guess, for your local tournaments....

Yankee B and higher would play open
Yankee B- would play A
Yankee C+ would play BB
Yankee c- to C would play B

Thank you for the clarification, I always here "I'm a Yankee xx" , and truth be told, I know I'm AA which correlates to a Yankee B-. I wasn't sure of the reasoning of the two systems, but I guess the Yankee system is a more accurate one on team ratings.

Some things should never be a such a mistery....

Thank you....

Glenn · 01-31-2006, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mrwabam

I'm a member of the Yankee upper level ratings commitee so I thought I'd chime in on this one. The important thing to notice about victorian system is that its for outdoor use only. Yankee is I *believe* the only region to employ individual ratings for indoor players. The reason we do this is so that we can maximize playing opprotunities and *try* to keep teams evenly matched. I.e. no A+ players playing in a C- tournament.

In most other regions for indoor tournaments teams need to register for an entire season at their respective USAV rating (Open, AA, A, BB, B), in Yankee, we allow our players to play with different teams every weekend.

As for the matchups of yankee individual ratings to USAV ratings, here is a rough breakdown (for the men anyways). Please don't quote me on this if you are putting a team in for nationals, I'm reciting this from memory. www.yankee.org has the actual nationals rating mappings on it.

Open: A team comprised of mostly A+ and maybe an A (Yankee doesn't have a team that plays Open at nationals right now so its hard to judge for sure)
AA: A team of A's and A+'s some A-
A: Mostly B+ and A-
BB: Mostly B and B+ (some A- maybe)
B: Mostly B- and B

Everything below that doesn't really fit into a catagory for USAV, a team comprised of all C-'s would have a rough time playing USAV nationals even at the lowest level, B.

As for comparing indoors to outdoor ratings, there is no real point in that, the indoor game is very differnt than the outdoor game, but if I had to make a guess, for your local tournaments....

Yankee B and higher would play open
Yankee B- would play A
Yankee C+ would play BB
Yankee c- to C would play B

Thank you so much for the clarfacation, It's people like you that make the sport so great!

Glenn

mycena · 01-31-2006, 02:29 PM

Some how I think we all knew that North ave. hahaha Come East sometime and maybe we can find someone to rate you Yankee style.

mycena · 01-31-2006, 02:32 PM

So to keep this thread confusing or at least the rating systems. Are there any other rating systems out there that are used in other parts of the country? Maybe we can get them all squared away in one thread! What goes on in the West Coast?

NewEnglandRT · 01-31-2006, 08:01 PM

From what I understand they don't let anyone who's not a wicked good player take the court out west so they don't bother with ratings!

NewEnglandRT · 02-03-2006, 01:49 AM

From www.yankee.org
Men's Ratings Conversions
AA) No limit
A) 2 A, 4 A-, the rest below (An A+ will be allowed
IF they take fewer A/A- players)
BB) 1 A-, 3 B+, the rest B or below
B) 4 B, the rest B- or below

Women's Ratings Conversions
AA) No limit
A) 1 A, 5 A-, the rest B+ or below
BB) 1 A-, 3 B+, the rest B or below
B) 2 B, the rest B- or below

Nationals Coed and Reverse Coed Conversions:

B/BB No more than 3 B+, the rest B or below

***In addition, you will not be allowed to have all 3
B+ ratings in one gender. (for example: you may not
bring a team of 3 B+ women and 3 B men or vice
versa)***

Also attached is the yankee rating sheet for all of you who are outside the region, but just must know how you'd be rated in New England!

Outta Town · **Southwest non USAVB rating -** 02-03-2006, 09:25 AM

Here in the southwest, volleyball is getting bigger, but is still not quite as strong as elsewhere.
I deal with mostly non-USAVB players. It is the new, younger players that are getting into club volleyball. They will eventually bring our level up.

I have had to deal with "Open" sand players for quite some time in my tournaments, actually banning them for 2 years. Their egos and attitudes made them impossible to deal with. It was nice to hear that they learned lessons when they would go to southern California and try to play in an AVP qualifier and could only score one point or so. They are the big fish here, but not so big anywhere else!
We tend to let the players settle into each division rating. This is for our coed 4's sand teams we cater to.
A is using best skills on both offense and defense, with the best setting. Clean hands are a must. The few Open players that still come around must play in this division, but must be mixed in with A or B players. Jump serves and big kills and some big blocks are common here.
B division is still very strong, but lacks either the confidence or one of the other skills to move to A. Long rallies with great digs are common.
C level is more of beginners who know the skills and really want to compete, but have not quite found the right teammate combination. Setters are usually much lower level. This level is all about having fun.
D is our party level. They simply want to be outside, drink, and try to remember playing some sort of jungle ball. Catch and throw would best describe this level. But they are the ones who have the most fun.

Our indoor players seem to be on a much higher plain, but the game has become muddied with a lot of the new rules over the years. What used to be B level indoor was much tighter on rules and setting than todays A level. We hang with the A and B players, and there really is no league setup here for C or below. I guess C would be your church league and BBQ ball.

This is all in our area with adult players who tend to play 3 -5 days or nights per week and tournaments twice a month. Most of our players do play both sand and indoor, with some grass tourneys thrown in to mix it up.

We do have fun here in the desert.
Luis

NewEnglandRT · 02-04-2006, 10:00 PM

I agree with north ave. My co-ed league team has a habbit of playing to the oppositions level. In our league there are a few teams where that's a bad thing for us.... we did however break that habbit this week

You also stick an ok player on a team with great players and their play picks up (usually

).

As is the case in many team sports your next play can only be as good as the one you making now. A lousy pass is going to get you a lousey set, which will lead to a lackluster hit etc. Before everyone gets on my rearend about how they're so good that it doesn't matter, I'm sure if you're athletic and skilled enough you can make chicken soup out of chicken shit. I for one can't yet

Anyone rated themselves on the yankee sheet I posted?