Question for line judges. - Page 3

OmniSpiker · 03-12-2008, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BHitterDPasser

This is amazing small contact patch. I venture a properly inflated ball sitting under it's own official weight probably has a contact patch close to this. 2" circumference is about a 5/8" diameter (or 3/16" radius).

For Size Comparisons:

Coin......Diameter..Circumference
Quarter....0.955"......3"
Nickel.....0.835"......2.625"
Penny......0.750"......2.356"
Dime.......0.705"......2.215"

I stand corrected, I meant to say diameter...LOL's

minealone6 · 03-12-2008, 09:31 AM

Thanks for all the replys guys, and also for the links that point to the rules.

I've had to call lines only one time since my first post, but there haven't been any close calls for me, although there were a few for other people calling that I would have disagreed with. If it gets brought up again I'll probably just ask if it's just for this league, and show him a copy of the rules. But this is a recreation league, most of the people there seem to be more interested in chatting with friends, so I'm not going to make a big deal about it. I'm going to try to find a more serious group next fall, and we've only got a few more games this season.

Thanks again, and keep up the good work.

Michael

OmniSpiker · 03-12-2008, 11:07 AM

KOACHnREF,
just like you said we don't remember the good refs who does their job well. Rare but I do remember when I see a ball that's in or out when a ref makes the wrong call, being a player or front row spectator, most often these are people who never seem to move their head. Simply it is because I was closer to the floor and saw the actual ground contact. Sometimes as a player, I'm the one screening the ref and line judge and all they can see is what's pretty much below my knees. I have seen an FIVB event where I clearly saw two bad in/out calls were made in one game after some close call ones. One ball was clearly in but was ruled out. One ball was prematurely called out, but made foot contact with player. Granted what I saw may in fact be inaccurate as maybe the play could've been ruled dead before that and I wasn't there to examine the reffing. I can feel the frustration of the players but they maintained their composure and were focused on the next play. I ask myself would the call been accurate if the line judge got lower? My regional ref doesn't believe so, but I do. I do believe there is a need to be as accurate as one can possibly be. My regional ref says, that in the event that you do make a bad call, stick with it and keep control of the game and move it forward. Winning team will forget you, losing team will hate you for the day.

In the case for outdoors when you have to deal with outdoor elements and watching for line movement as well as actual line contacts, kneeling down would be pretty much a required courtesy when you've got bodies sprawling or diving for balls. Rare as it may be, but for that one crucial moment, it's that one athletic attempt for play on the ball that really needs the full attention to validate the accuracy of the contact rather than an unsubstiated judgment call that wasn't observed. Sometimes the ball can be scooped from the ground. The philosophy will differ as some refs don't call illegal ball handling unless they clearly see it as oppose to others who call illegal ball handling because they don't like the technique used.

Personally if I had to play a ball aggressively down to the court boundary, it's comes with the territory of whether I'm gonna get an accurate call on it. Some players get over it, but it seems to plague my game when I'm unable to simply play against the other team as it's in my mind being re-played.

KOACHnREF · 06-09-2008, 12:00 AM

It's been a while since I've logged on so I've not seen this response.

OmniSpiker mentioned that if you make a mistake you should stick with it? I think this is a cheap way out. If one knows that the call was wrong the R1 is required to get it right. The only time you "stick with it" is that the next rally occurred.

As a national official we are evaluated constantly by other national level officials. If we ever miss a call, you constantly get harrassed bout missing the call. Not only at that tournament, but any other tournament that you officiate with those officials attend with you. Believe me it may be forgotten by the teams, but it will not be forgotten by your peers.

OmniSpiker · 06-12-2008, 01:10 PM

make a mistake you should stick with it?

Not exactly what I intend to commmunicate.

If you do make a bad call or mistakem something to lead to a bad call in the event that you are confident that you've made the correct or right call based on your knowledge, skills, and the situation; keep the call as is. The last thing we need is for an official to keep changing their mind or hesitate to make a definitive call and causes the game to lag behind schedule. One of the priorities of reffing is to guide the game to a conclusion as well as making accurate calls. Changing calls due to mistakes does not address to source of the mistake but is merely a quick bandage to it. It looks like a guessing game.

One should never forget the bad calls made, less one may repeat the same mistake again in the future. Live with the mistake and learn from it as a preventive measure.